Local Activist Speaks Out Against US Loan Auditors

[AyatollahGondola]

We are soliciting for input on public events for the USLA issue. If you have any ideas to share, please follow this link and post them there:

http://www.fightbackinsac.com/forums/showthread.php?t=7536

wantmy$back,

I'm glad you found how to use the file upload.

[wantmy$back]

Contracts

Service Provider Agreement-Money back guarantee
If someone has one of these thats is different in any way
Please Post-

I will also upload copies of the attorney client form they want you to sign
Thanks

[AyatollahGondola]

How many of you actually met a live person during your initial meetings with the investigators?

Any phone numbers you have that might be related solely to the independents would be helpful, as well as any contact info other than that.

I would suggest calling your "fraud investigator"/initial contact person and ask them if they are/were an actual employee of USLA at the time, or an independent contractor. Just leave a message if they don't answer their phone

[Steve]

Fraud investigator

If they're independent contractors than mine was Roland Sison. I had little contact via e-mail with Gabriel Thomas. But Roland handle all the calls.

[fbisadmin]

I think it would be a good idea to try and go out there on Firday in support of gamblingbob.

I am one of the strongest proponents of public venue. The lawsuit against Bob can be managed, as it all has to be proven first. If there are any issues than can be mitigated and altered so as not to invite litigation that will succeed, then I would do that and resume my public venue. We have offered GamblingBob support on that.

[johnsoncasa]

Rally

I think it would be a good idea to try and go out there on Firday in support of gamblingbob.

[AyatollahGondola]

His Business Card
Have you read any of the contracts?

The business card has a lot of numbers on them. what we have to try and determine is which ones are USLA's and which are the contractors. In doing reverse phone searches, one number leads us to the Walnut Grove area. From what I've heard from a few others, their contractors were from nearby areas as well, which leads me to believe USLA is recruiting in certain areas, or is at least having luck recruiting in those areas. One other was in Manteca, and another in the nearby stockton area.
In suing the contractors themselves, you can subpeona their related info. You can use the small claims court venue for this to start with. It will be intersting to see how USLA reacts to this. Will they come to the contractors aid, or just say, "you're an independent and you are supposed to handle your own legal problems". My guess would be the latter.

[AyatollahGondola]

http://info.sen.ca.gov/cgi-bin/displ...e=2945-2945.11

So by acting as independent contractors each employee becomes in violation of being a foreclosure consultant?

When you say, "go after" I think it becomes a question of criminal or civil and which department looks into the matter. The DA wants more of an offense such as grand theft. I've already spoken to them. The AG would be the place but this where you say files go to rest in peace but with all the talk from Jerry Brown and Arnold about foreclosure consulting. I'm thinking USLA fits it to the tee. So by having the employees become independent contractors USLA is letting them take the fall. This is all becoming a lot like bad mortgages and homeowners.

Everyone's experience may not be identical, so their cause of action against the contractor may not be the same. But in many instances, it appears the contractors held themselves out as fraud investigators to sell their product. I'd question whether any of them had business license to operate. Operating as a business when you are unlicensed is a cause to sue over. Misrepresenting yourself is too. My point is, collect the money you were cheated out of from each source.

Yeah, I have very little to no faith in the AG's office. While they may clamp down on the operations as a whole, I doubt they are going to get anyone's money back for them. Hell, I've been showing their office some blatant violations of the Charitable corp codes, the foot dragging goes on and on, and they claim indigence. I see them as publicity hounds, and once that goes, they get pretty distant on the issues.

[AyatollahGondola]

His Business Card
Have you read any of the contracts?

Yes, I have read two.

[Steve]

Civil Code 2945-2495.11

http://info.sen.ca.gov/cgi-bin/displaycode?section=civ&group=02001-03000&file=2945-2945.11

So by acting as independent contractors each employee becomes in violation of being a foreclosure consultant?

When you say, "go after" I think it becomes a question of criminal or civil and which department looks into the matter. The DA wants more of an offense such as grand theft. I've already spoken to them. The AG would be the place but this where you say files go to rest in peace but with all the talk from Jerry Brown and Arnold about foreclosure consulting. I'm thinking USLA fits it to the tee. So by having the employees become independent contractors USLA is letting them take the fall. This is all becoming a lot like bad mortgages and homeowners.

[wantmy$back]

His Business Card
Have you read any of the contracts?

[AyatollahGondola]

My "Fraud Investigator" was Ty Williams
I have also spoken with "fraud Investigator" Eric Caldwell
Also dealt with Laura Soutar she claims she runs both companies she is only out ranked by the owners.

Check and see how much contact info you have for any of them. A business card, phone number, address, etc.
These independent contractors are working from their own offices purportedly. I can provide some help to teach you all how to track down the ones who aren't easily found

[AyatollahGondola]

Well, to answer your questions,

Yes they can just shut down and try to disappear.
And yes, they can generally file BK, as well as can the principles of the company.
But, there are some debts that are usually not dischargeable in a bankruptcy. Fraud is one of those. If you can get a judgement for fraud against one or more of the individuals, it will pretty much stick with them until they settle the debt.

All law firms are "class action" law firms
Law firms are profit based service type companies, and if they believe there is just cause and reasonable fees that can be earned and collected, they will try and have a case certified as class action.
An attorney, like any other service based company, needs to be sure they can collect their fees for their services. Taking on the alleged bad guys is all noble and good, but it all takes time and filing fees and related. Primarily, they want to see that the person hiring them can pay the fees. Secondarily, they may look at collecting from your named defendant. That's where insurance companies, investors, and other associates come into lawsuits.

The reason I'm suggesting going after the independent agents is that you don't have to collect everything you lost from one entity or person. Hold the independents liable for thier part of the scheme. Hell, they got half your up front money.
You can still hold USLA or other independents responsible for their part of it by suing them too

[wantmy$back]

AyatollahGondola Thank you for helping in this fight against this company.


Do you think this is one of those companies that can just pack up and leave once their feet are held to the fire?
Can they file bankruptcy and we will all be out?
Do you know of a class action attorney?
I know everyone keeps mentioning it by nobody's taken action so why not me, I have called around a little and they are not that easy to find, any advise would be great.
Thanks

Another Question as far as suing the independent contractor,
I have in the past hired a flooring company and they sent out a different company that installed the flooring a sub contractor, I had an issue with the job and had to start a complaint with the company I signed the contract with and they refunded my money and charged back the sub-contractor. So how would USLA be any different? The contract was with USLA not the fraud investigator

[wantmy$back]

Name dropping USLA

My "Fraud Investigator" was Ty Williams
I have also spoken with "fraud Investigator" Eric Caldwell
Also dealt with Laura Soutar she claims she runs both companies she is only out ranked by the owners.