8 Neo-Nazis met by 200 counterprotesters

[ilbegone]

Because the 30 of us on a street corner are standing there without swastikas and are not performing the Nazi salute.

Here is a case discussion concerning swastikas and arm salutes between some white nationalists and a NSM supremacist in the supremacist site Stormfront concerning the media in Sept '06:


Thread titled NSM Crashes Minuteman Rally - Gilchrist Tells Them to Go to Hell

The ... media loves Nazis. A large rally against immigration takes place and the Washington Post focuses on two costumed freaks, rather than the 100 decent White Americans who are working to change government policy.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...020802390.html

"About 100 supporters of the Minuteman Project rallied on the West Lawn of the Capitol yesterday morning, imploring the government to tighten the nation's borders and reject guest-worker legislation.

. . . A short while later, when Minuteman founder Jim Gilchrist began speaking, two young men dressed in black slacks, khaki shirts and red swastika armbands walked onto the lawn and headed for the rally.

"Oh, no," said a woman with a Minuteman sticker on her coat. "Not the Nazis."

Gilchrist looked at the two men approaching the rally. "Nazis go to hell!" he said, adding that he was going to stop the proceedings for a short time ...

The two men -- Paul [sic] White, 28, of Roanoke and Kevin Swift, 22, of Reston, members of the National Socialist Movement, also called America's Nazi Party on the literature they handed out -- were quickly surrounded by the media.

A couple of minutes later, they were asked by police to move along...

Here's a second article in the same paper about the same two man Wehrmacht. The point the Post wants to make? Anti-immigration = Nazi.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...020802347.html

. . . The fervor subsided only when two men dressed in brown and wearing swastikas goose-stepped toward the Minutemen and gave a Nazi salute. The men, straight out of "The Producers," handed out fliers encouraging the Minutemen to "end your alliance with the Republicans!!!" -- and join the American Nazi Party.

Minuteman Project founder Jim Gilchrist called for an intermission "to resolve this situation. "Nazis, go home!" Gilchrist called out... "I don't want them in my party."

They were there in opposition to the minute men, which is vehemently anti-racist.

The Minutemen started shouting "You're not welcome here. You can't join us" and we started shouting "We're protesting you, " and told the media that we were protesting the fact that the Minutemen were stage managing the anti-immigration movement for the Republican Party, and that by refusing to link jews and immigration they were selling out the white working class.

I said the very same thing 9 months ago, and have always thought the minute men were, and are cowards. Well as opposed to the way I would patrol the border.

And the NSM has the courage to disgust and offend. The Minutemen managed to convince two US Congressmen to speak to the rally. The leader of the Minutemen came close to winning a seat in Congress himself. The public is begining to turn against immigration and the lawmakers are starting to listen. Into this scene come two deranged publicily-seekers, anxious to take attention away from the rally and get their faces on the news. Naturally the media writes about how Nazis were at the rally, implying that there was or could be an alliance.

The two "Nazis" played right into the media's hands. They would have accomplished more by joining the rally without the WW2 attire. This makes the open boders crowd cheer every time an incident of this nature occurs. People, please learn from this experiance.

http://www.stormfront.org/forum/showthread.php?t=269450

[AyatollahGondola]

Eeeek...
Stormfront. I forgot about that organization. lotta lost souls in there.
It's kind of too bad that white people, and white youth specifically, don't have other options in the face of all the race clustering that is being promoted out there these days. Hispanics have a plethora of choices; Asians too, as do black people. If you're young, white, and looking for a racially based organization, places like Stormfront are going to pop up as prime candidates. Once again, I'm not for racial separatism. I think we'd do much better in this country if we abandoned them pretty much entirely. But if you encourage all the other ethnically bound youth to join up with La Raza, MECHA, MALDEF, and their Asian counterparts, Community leaders should not be surprised when suzy falls for stormfront. What are their choices anyway?

[ilbegone]

I belong to a couple of Fraternal organizations. Last summer I was visiting one in a former boom town which is now barely keeping ahead of disintergration.

I remember the Lodge from attending a wedding in the main hall maybe twenty five years ago.

The only other people in there was a Lodge dignitary who was the age to be a WW2 vet, and the bar tender who was about ten years younger.

Spying a case which had Boy Scout paraphernalia in it, I asked the bartender if they were sponsoring Boy Scouts there. She got a pensive look on her face and said, no, not any more. I asked her why not and she looked me in the face and said "They all grew up".

[ilbegone]

Eeeek...
Stormfront. I forgot about that organization. lotta lost souls in there.
It's kind of too bad that white people, and white youth specifically, don't have other options in the face of all the race clustering that is being promoted out there these days. Hispanics have a plethora of choices; Asians too, as do black people. If you're young, white, and looking for a racially based organization, places like Stormfront are going to pop up as prime candidates. Once again, I'm not for racial separatism. I think we'd do much better in this country if we abandoned them pretty much entirely. But if you encourage all the other ethnically bound youth to join up with La Raza, MECHA, MALDEF, and their Asian counterparts, Community leaders should not be surprised when suzy falls for stormfront. What are their choices anyway?

I wish all the race crap wasn't there.

And with all the multiculturalist crap in school it's though we now have politically correct segregation, an "acceptable" apartheid if you may. It's as though we are being prevented from becoming "us" anymore, "you're breathing my air". "Oh, You offended me with your insensativity to my fragile presence". "Diversity" has only one representation.

Blah blah friggin' blah.

I don't really like the idea of the kids getting into stuff like brown pride or the anti illegal immigration groups or far left brain washed "citizen of the world" tripe.

I think it all sucks.

And, no matter how it's sliced, some yokel from any side is going to turn just about everything into some srt of a race issue.

I wish it wasn't that way.

[AyatollahGondola]

I wish all the race crap wasn't there.

And with all the multiculturalist crap in school it's though we now have politically correct segregation, an "acceptable" apartheid if you may. It's as though we are being prevented from becoming "us" anymore, "you're breathing my air". "Oh, You offended me with your insensativity to my fragile presence". "Diversity" has only one representation.

Blah blah friggin' blah.

I don't really like the idea of the kids getting into stuff like brown pride or the anti illegal immigration groups or far left brain washed "citizen of the world" tripe.

I think it all sucks.

And, no matter how it's sliced, some yokel from any side is going to turn just about everything into some srt of a race issue.

I wish it wasn't that way.

Sounds like you wish you were livin' in that ancient Indian village called Yew-Toh-Pe-Yah

[ilbegone]

I'm sorry, I had to sound it out 'till I got it.

"All together now!" (follow the dancing ball)

[AyatollahGondola]

I thought it would be better than slapping your face and saying "Snap out of it!"

[ilbegone]

I want to be clear in this post concerning the material posted and the quotes used to make a point:

On the one hand, I'm not opposed to the concept of universal health care in the United States. On the other, I believe that the version the present proposal is a "fast one" that the administration is trying to slip up our posterior as evidenced by the attempted haste to run it through without scrutiny. I believe the far left is just as or more presumptuous concerning "mandate" than the far right during the previous administration.

I also believe that our government should take care of old business first, such as illegal immigration, before leaping into uncharted waters.

These quotes in this post have to do with the media's insatiable quest to present the world in a Jerry Springer hue - sensation sells as well as the attempt to sway public conviction rather than impartial presentation of facts and issues. I don't wholly agree with the article, but it has some valid points:

The Real Town Hall Story

Health-care reform is said to be in trouble partly because of those raucous August town-hall meetings in which Democratic members of Congress were besieged by shouters opposed to change.

But what if our media-created impression of the meetings is wrong? What if the highly publicized screamers represented only a fraction of public opinion? What if most of the town halls were populated by citizens who respectfully but firmly expressed a mixture of support, concern and doubt?

There is an overwhelming case that the electronic media went out of their way to cover the noise and ignored the calmer (and from television's point of view "boring") encounters between elected representatives and their constituents.

It's also clear that the anger that got so much attention largely reflects a fringe right-wing view opposed to all sorts of government programs most Americans support. Much as the far left of the antiwar movement commanded wide coverage during the Vietnam years, so now are extremists on the right hogging the media stage -- with the media's complicity.

The most disturbing account came from Rep. David Price of North Carolina, who spoke with a stringer for one of the television networks at a large town-hall meeting he held in Durham.

The stringer said he was one of 10 people around the country assigned to watch such encounters. Price said he was told flatly: "Your meeting doesn't get covered unless it blows up." As it happens, the Durham audience was broadly sympathetic to reform efforts. No "news" there.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/09/02/AR2009090202858.html

[ilbegone]

Most of the archival on this seems to be other than MSN:

At Columbia, Students Attack Minuteman Founder

By ELIANA JOHNSON, Staff Reporter of the Sun | October 5, 2006

Students stormed the stage at Columbia University's Roone auditorium yesterday, knocking over chairs and tables and attacking Jim Gilchrist, the founder of the Minutemen, a group that patrols the border between America and Mexico.

Mr. Gilchrist and Marvin Stewart, another member of his group, were in the process of giving a speech at the invitation of the Columbia College Republicans. They were escorted off the stage unharmed and exited the auditorium by a back door.

Having wreaked havoc onstage, the students unrolled a banner that read, in both Arabic and English, "No one is ever illegal." As security guards closed the curtains and began escorting people from the auditorium, the students jumped from the stage, pumping their fists, chanting victoriously, "Si se pudo, si se pudo," Spanish for "Yes we could!"

The Minuteman Project, an organization of volunteers founded in 2004 by Mr. Gilchrist, aims to keep illegal immigrants out of America by alerting law enforcement officials when they attempt to cross the border. The group uses fiery language and unorthodox tactics to advance its platform. "Future generations will inherit a tangle of rancorous, unassimilated, squabbling cultures with no common bond to hold them together, and a certain guarantee of the death of this nation as a harmonious ‘melting pot,'" the group's Web site warns.

The pandemonium that ensued as the evening's keynote speaker took the stage was merely the climax of protest that brewed all week. A number of campus groups, including the Chicano caucus, the African-American student organization, and the International Socialist organization, began planning their protests early this week when they heard that the Minutemen would be arriving on campus.

The student protesters, who attended the event clad in white as a sign of dissent, booed and shouted the speakers down throughout. They interrupted Mr. Stewart, who is African-American, when he referred to the Declaration of Independence's self-evident truth that "All men are created equal," calling him a racist, a sellout, and a black white supremacist.

A student's demand that Mr. Stewart speak in Spanish elicited thundering applause and brought the protesters to their feet. The protesters remained standing, turned their backs on Mr. Stewart for the remainder of his remarks, and drowned him out by chanting, "Wrap it up, wrap it up!" Mr. Stewart appeared unfazed by their behavior. He simply smiled and bellowed, "No wonder you don't know what you're talking about."

"These are racist individuals heading a project that terrorizes immigrants on the U.S.-Mexican border," Ryan Fukumori, a Columbia junior who took part in the protest, told The New York Sun. "They have no right to be able to speak here."

The student protesters "rush to vindicate themselves with monikers like ‘liberal' and ‘open-minded,' but their actions, their attempt to condemn the Minutemen without even hearing what they have to say, speak otherwise," the president of the Columbia College Republicans, Chris Kulawik, said. On campus, the Republicans' flyers advertising the event were defaced and torn down.

The College Republicans expressed their concern about the lack of free speech for opposing viewpoints on the Columbia campus in the wake of the evening's events. "We've often feared that there's not freedom of speech at Columbia for more right-wing views — and that was proven tonight," the executive director of the Columbia College Republicans, Lauren Steinberg, said.

The Minutemen's arrival at Columbia drew protesters from around the city as well. An hour before Messrs. Stewart and Mr. Gilchrist took the stage, rowdy protests began outside the auditorium on Broadway, where activists chanted, "Hey, hey, ho, ho, the Minutemen have got to go!"

http://www.nysun.com/new-york/at-columbia-students-attack-minuteman-founder/

[AyatollahGondola]

Every now and then I watch network news. The "Anchors" tend to remind me of game show hosts with a strange admixture of open mic amateur comedy night. Nothing like Cronkite and "That's the way it was."

I wouldn't be surprised in the least if the weatherman juggled chainsaws while reciting the forecast.

God! Especially the morning show types. they're all so full of laughs and giggles it makes we want to vomit

[ilbegone]

Here is an exerpt concerning irony of allegation of expressed racism:

Columbia protesters need to take Free Speech 101

A conspicuous irony was the crowd calling Gilchrist a “racist,” while the Minutemen blog suggests that they attacked Marvin Stewart of the Minutemen, who is black, calling him “nigger.” Stewart has told his story to the police and threatens a lawsuit.

http://www.thevillager.com/villager_182/columbiaprotesters.html

[ilbegone]

I didn't have time to get into it when I made those last posts, but I want to make a connection here.

I don't know Gilchrist nor am I intimately familiar with his operation. I don't know what happened between Gilchrist, Swilk, Nightengale, Gheen, Simcox, and all the rest.

Nor do I care at this point. I don't know any of those people either. Nightengale is the only one I have had any dealings with, and I've never met her face to face.

The anti illegal movement as a whole (individually and collectively) is accused by the open borders crowd as being a group of bloody fanged racists, who are members of and funded by Nazi groups as well as one or more of the various groups bearing the KKK label.

Evidently, white national separatists don't tend to view minutemen as racists (some regard the minutemen as pansies), not in the sense they regard themselves as racial separatists.

The Neo Nazi's themselves don't believe that white separatists are willing to go the distance as far as race is concerned, and would have a much harsher view concerning the minutemen as posers and pussies.

So, we have at least three levels of conviction here, with individuals in each having quite a bit of variation in personal beliefs.

Yet everyone involved at their level of persuasion, is declared as one and the same by not only the open borders crowd propaganda, but parroting media as well.

Those kids at Columbia University get a pass concerning terrorism when Gilchrist tried to speak, yet two intruding National Socialists social misfits are somehow verification of racist evil concerning anti illegal immigration activism as defined by an pro open border propaganda machine which is abetted by the media. As are lunatics like Shawna Forde and Laine Lawless.

Continued below.

[ilbegone]

But then I have to look at this side also.

I watched several of those films where Naui gets his rocks off by throwing out things like "do you like being a racist" and watching the subject squirm with lame answers about Aztlan, Mecha, and "La Raza".

It's his heckling purpose to get those rediculous answers in order to give his racist buddies a laugh as well as intimidate the subject.

God, Naui loves that nervous assumption that he is an illegal and should "go back to Mexico", and watches them squirm when he say's they should go back to Europe as he shoves that camera in their face and laughs.

Naui doesn't believe in an Aztlan of the southwest states, it's "Anauac" and it's all or none.

Mecha and Chicano studies are a bunch of hooie to Naui. Naui views himself as "indigenous", belonging to indigenous people from the Arctic circle to central America. And no borders declared by any country apply.

There is no such thing as "La Raza" as a group. There is a National Council of La Raza which sucks money out of the Ford Foundation and is a loose umbrella for a myriad of Raza organizations (and it has been criticized for being neglectful towards those organizations). There was a La Raza Unida Party which has been an inspiration for raza organizations, but it's long dead.

There are Raza and Hermandad groups which aren't affiliated in any way with NCLR, and while they may have great similarity, they are all different.

And to Naui, mestizo, Latino, Hispanic, raza and a myriad of other labels don't apply; his Spanish blood doesn't count for anything, a product of Spanish rape.

And, a lot of brown people who demonstrate might not have an affiliation to any particular group, they are there because of perceived white racism.

White people need to know a lot more about brown people, they're not all alike and the assumption that they are appears so racist.

Here's Naui's persuasion: http://www.mexica-movement.org/

Only in America are brown people with south of the border origins considered "Hispanic", an artificial description which is meaningless except for "affirmative action" freebies. Everywhere else they are Mexican, Guatemalan, Peruvian, Bolivian... And here in the US, if they were born here they are Americans.

[kjl]

Well if one continues with the idiotic beliefs of Naui and his Mexica Movement ideology, then why would they stop at believing they own only this continent and why not the oceans and everything beyond. He and his group of idiots should lay claim to the whole world. Gee and by their thought, it is only right because they were here first. Well since I was born before he was, then I have more claim to the world than he does, so he should get off of my planet.

The stupidity of the whole concept is beyond any justification.

Naui only has a voice if you let him have a voice. You notice it is always him trying to get a rise out of others. If you just ignore him as I do, then he has nothing. I would tell people again and again not to answer the weasel, but some people just can't keep their mouths shut. Don't give that cockroach anything. That way who ever is paying him won't get much for their money.

[ilbegone]

Naui can be had. The game has always been played on his terms, and that is what he expects. One of these days someone is going to catch him from a direction he doesn't expect, and he'll be talking to himself for weeks.

I meant to go a little broader than Naui in that post, and I did, but Naui took took up the most of it.

Everyone is different, not just one kind of brown out there. Some don't understand that concept. That was part of my point.