liberty belle

[cowboycode]

Originally Posted by AyatollahGondola

Liberty Belle's very first post was an attack and provocation. Like Referee said: Review Liberty Belle's posts

I am...but you NEED to review DerailAmnesty.com posts. 'DerailAmnesty.com' very first post was an attack and provocation.
I showed you and revealed that the culprit, 'DerailAmnesty.com' records instigating and attacking Liberty Belle. It is mentioned before in my post #4 here on this VERY thread.....
It's post content bears repeateting since you don't seem to wish to acknowledge the facts of the matter that DerailAmnesty.com instigated his harrassment of Liberty Belle from the start,
not the other way round.
Both accounts were involved but the vicitm is the only account in purgatory, not the aggressor that started this DerailAmnesty.com.
IMHO: If your staff here cannot mediate this simpel matter by seeing BOTH sides posts AND putting BOTH parties into the purgatory area for EQUAL involvement, I realy fear for the viability and usefulness of this forum because your staff's lack of seeing both sides of an issue that makes telling members this forum is not fair and balanced when disciplinning members.

The facts don't support your stated facts here. I hope this forum is not becoming a place where people are punished for giving their opinions or defending themselves from attackers. That's not the American way. It would be very ironic and hypocritical of the staff here.
Is this a forum of exchange of ideas or not. Why are some people who start attacks not subject to the same rules as the victim's who merely defend against attackers?
That is a biased MIS-interpretation. DerailAmnesty.com was the instigator and kept this going, but he is strangely NOT punished but the victimm of harrassment is.
Special exemption for DerailAmnesty.com and not Liberty Belle.
HUmmm????

Please take a look at these posts of the matter in sequence & context:

Minute Men Rally in Victorville, CA on 7/11/2009


In the beginning posted, Liberty Belle, was not talking about or to DerailAmnesty.com...BUT DerailAmnesty.com started with this harrassing attack on Liberty Belle....DerailAmnesty,com took this opportunity to innitiate and harrass/strike FIRST, right ?

Here are the thread context sequences.

#46 Derailamnesty.com started this harrassing attack by his interjecting himself into this discussion saying...

Quote:
Originally Posted by liberty belle: This is Jean from Fillmore! I can tell from the writing style! Totally Jean posts. Come and deny it! HAHAHAHAHAahahah.. Oh, baby you ain't gonna hear a word ANYONE posts around here. You'll have to remove your lips from Chalene's butt first. ooOOOOooo secret agent man, secret agent man. They're givin' you a number and takin' away your name.......


Today's word is hypocrisy.
Doesn't the irony strike even you?
Someone notorious, throughout illegal immigration activist circles in Southern California, for inundating message boards with comments from "multiple parties" and talking endless sh-- about people, accusing another of posting under a different account name.

As the kids nowadays would say, Tony, you're scandalous.
Listen, if this is the new standard for acceptable conduct, I'm going to start lecturing LAPhil about being a sarcastic Jew with an abrasive personality.
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#47 Liberty Belle defended herself from DerailAmnesty.com attack:
"Drop dead, Monkey Boy. Ask the mod if I have the same ISP or shut the hell up.
Little man syndrome."
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#48 Liberty Belle defended herself from "AG" previous comments:
"And AG? Don't you EVEN say I started this crap this time."

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DerailAmnesty.com continued with this additional harrassing attack on Liberty Belle again....
#51 Derailamnesty.com harrassment contiues with his response...

Quote:
Originally Posted by liberty belle: And AG? Don't you EVEN say I started this crap this time.......

Well, at the risk of pointlessly stating the self evident, your crap starts the minute you log in. Being hostile is about 95% of your raison detre when posting under one of your multiple identities.
By the way, I'm not impressed that your girlfriend allows you to use her computer.
Y'know Tony, there was a time when you actually cared about illegal immigration rather than circle jerking with yourself and fuming about perceived mistreatment. And insofar as your remarks about my stature are concerned, tread very carefully. At the first opportunity that arises, I may elect to punch you right in the shin.

Now you'll excuse me, I have to scamper off down the yellow brick road to ensure that no one tries to make off with my Lucky Charms.===

I think members here would like to see fairness and openess in these matters in order to have some enthusiasm and comfort in openly sharing their talents and energies here.
Both members should be equally punished, if at all.
Anything else is detrimental to this forum surviving for us to freely use.

[AyatollahGondola]

One thing to point out,

It was Liberty Belle who was at issue here, and thus that poster is the one who needs to defend their actions or claim injustice, and that hasn't happened...yet anyway. So you're going to court here without a client.

[REWHBLCAIN]

Hmm, I have seen these same rambling writings on the wall before almost exact! When it happened before it was found out that it was the same guy using his girlfriends PC under the other name. I would bet the ranch this is the same no good instigator that has been banned all over the place and now only has Jimmy G's group to hang with. Right Tony G? Hows your girl friend?



My 2 cents

Ready for the attack tony, go aqhead.

[cowboycode]

Originally Posted by AyatollahGondola

One thing to point out,

It was Liberty Belle who was at issue here, and thus that poster is the one who needs to defend their actions or claim injustice, and that hasn't happened...yet anyway. So you're going to court here without a client.

Fascinating, but not the topic....
Do you ever stay ON topic with direct questions put to you?
MO: What you are doing here is a hallmark of sad people that are guilty of no credibility in their unethical leadership actions....alla Chelene N.

[cowboycode]

Fascinating, but not the topic....

Originally Posted by REWHBLCAIN

Hmm, I have seen these same rambling writings on the wall before almost exact! When it happened before it was found out that it was the same guy using his girlfriends PC under the other name. I would bet the ranch this is the same no good instigator that has been banned all over the place and now only has Jimmy G's group to hang with. Right Tony G? Hows your girl friend?



My 2 cents

Ready for the attack tony, go aqhead.

[AyatollahGondola]

Originally Posted by REWHBLCAIN

Hmm, I have seen these same rambling writings on the wall before almost exact! When it happened before it was found out that it was the same guy using his girlfriends PC under the other name. I would bet the ranch this is the same no good instigator that has been banned all over the place and now only has Jimmy G's group to hang with. Right Tony G? Hows your girl friend?



My 2 cents

Ready for the attack tony, go aqhead.

This is a bit provoking I think. We don't care who people are here. We go by their registered names, and unless there's some safety issue involved, we're not going to go turning over rocks to see who's under them. We take actions based upon the poster and not the man behind the curtain.

[AyatollahGondola]

Originally Posted by cowboycode

Fascinating, but not the topic....
Do you ever stay ON topic with direct questions put to you?
MO: What you are doing here is a hallmark of sad people that are guilty of no credibility in their unethical leadership actions....alla Chelene N.

Cowboycode, we only spend a certain amount of time on internal matters, and this one has already carved deeply into that. You are trying to conduct a hearing of the facts without the consent of the aggrieved party here, and you don't even have that party as a witness. If and when Liberty Belle returns we can take this up again.

Do you ever stay ON topic with direct questions put to you?

I think I've answered your questions pointedly in other threads that are not about moderation matters, so yes

[Referee]

Originally Posted by cowboycode

I have shown specifics and you speak about vague generalities. Why?
Either the facts support you and you can show it or not.

"it was the overall posts of "DerailAmnesty.com" being directed towards offending other registered users as opposed to contributing to the subjects of the threads. the forum rules prohibit using the forum as a tool to carry on a private war with another poster...."DerailAmnesty.com" appeared to sign on to the forum for the main purpose of engaging in a battle with 'Liberty Belle'."

The facts easily support my position anf I don't see specific fact supporting youor conclusions. "DerailAmnesty.com" was clearly just a guilty as the other poster. You won't admit it. Why? I'm looking for fairness here. That shouldn't be so hard to get from the patriotic staff members of FBIS forms.

derailamnesty had many other posts that didn't take up attacking another poster. liberty belle did not. we do operate on generalities here. if you are generally more hostile to other registered users than you are to the objects of our protests and events you may be moderated in some fashion. if you are generally more prone to argue and fight with other registered users here than corrupt government officials then you may be moderated. we must be fair to the forum registrants as a whole not just individually

[cowboycode]

Where's your proof that DerailAmensty.com was not as bad as Liberty Belle? Show me the comparison. You must have it handy?

IMHO: Because your public comments, actions and motivations are a disappointment for many forum members here.

Originally Posted by Referee

derailamnesty had many other posts that didn't take up attacking another poster. liberty belle did not. we do operate on generalities here. if you are generally more hostile to other registered users than you are to the objects of our protests and events you may be moderated in some fashion. if you are generally more prone to argue and fight with other registered users here than corrupt government officials then you may be moderated. we must be fair to the forum registrants as a whole not just individually

[cowboycode]

Originally Posted by AyatollahGondola

Cowboycode...You are trying to conduct a hearing of the facts without the consent of the aggrieved party here, and you don't even have that party as a witness. If and when Liberty Belle returns we can take this up again.

Let me explain.....
This is not the point of discussion and you know it.
Do I have to enlighten you on this larger matter?
Justice for everyone is anyones business, Mr 'AG' activist.
What an self serving statement coming from a guy who voluntarily drives a large truck around with a political statement in Sacto. Your above statement can be seen as highly hypocritical.
Were's your client and witness to drive around in other's neighborhoods, chum.
Who told you to do this?
What person?
You don't have one, but you find the inner need to do what you do for justice sake. I can understand that.
I am doing exactly the same with Liberty Belle. She was a victim of a lynch mob, BUT not the instigator of it all, DerailAmmnesty.com. When he was starting the whole mess to begin with and then kept it going.
If not, show me the proof?
You can't because there isn't any. You lynched someone and then ridiculed them for defending themselves. What sad patriots you are !!!.....
You have been a victim of this lynch mob crap with SOS & Chelene and then when you get some leadership power....you set up a place were you can exact a similar lynching mob action on one person.
Amazing !!!!
The justice idea you are pissing on works for you everyday of the week with your signage, BUT you are so myopicly sighted here, you can't see that same idea here with DerailAmensty.com & Liberty Belle.
If you sent one member to purgatory, there was enough said or posted to send BOTH.
You didn't do that and your questionable actions against one member here smells & looks corrupt to many of your members. But, maybe you don't care about injustice or unfairness. That's even more problems for your FBIS noncredibility here.

Just some thoughts....