....STOP SMUD FROM SPENDING RATEPAYER MONEY ON SCIENCE CENTER BUILDING NAMING RIGHTS.......SEE THE LOCAL FOCUS CAMPAIGN SECTION.....

Go Back   Fight Back In Sac > Main Category > General Discussion
FAQForum Rules Members List Calendar Articles Media Center Downloads Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read

General Discussion This forum is for a wide range of topics that do not fit in the other categories


Welcome to the Fight Back In Sac forums.

You are currently viewing our boards as a guest which gives you limited access to view most discussions and access our other features. By joining our free community you will have access to post topics, communicate privately with other members (PM), respond to polls, upload content and access many other special features. Registration is fast, simple and absolutely free so please, join our community today!

If you have any problems with the registration process or your account login, please contact contact us.
Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 07-09-2010, 03:37 PM
AyatollahGondola's Avatar
AyatollahGondola AyatollahGondola is offline
Soldier
 
Join Date: May 2007
Location: Sacramento
Posts: 1,316
Default Local Activist Speaks Out Against US Loan Auditors

I visited this activist today due to an online notification of this protest, and I don't have much time to write up what I encountered there yet, but later I'll do an update and post a short video or two. But in short, it did appear the protester was being harrassed for using his 1st amendment rights.









Last edited by AyatollahGondola : 07-09-2010 at 03:43 PM.
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 07-09-2010, 03:40 PM
AyatollahGondola's Avatar
AyatollahGondola AyatollahGondola is offline
Soldier
 
Join Date: May 2007
Location: Sacramento
Posts: 1,316
Default







Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 07-09-2010, 04:01 PM
AyatollahGondola's Avatar
AyatollahGondola AyatollahGondola is offline
Soldier
 
Join Date: May 2007
Location: Sacramento
Posts: 1,316
Default

Here's one short video for your info. It appears that the police officer is showing the USLA employee that there is a marked difference of space which indicates that the protesters vehicle could not have caused the alleged damage

Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 07-14-2010, 12:36 AM
AyatollahGondola's Avatar
AyatollahGondola AyatollahGondola is offline
Soldier
 
Join Date: May 2007
Location: Sacramento
Posts: 1,316
Default

Can everyone please list the names of the people they met initially during their primary contact with USLA.

Then, see if you still have any business cards they gave you with their name on it

Next, do you have anything that the same person signed


What I'm thinking here is that it may be easier and actually even appropriate to go after the people who are misleading you at the outset, and those are the ones' who lured you into this. From what I can tell, these people are not employees of USLA. They are independent contractors. As such, they can be sued for fraud, intentional misrepresentation, and other high crimes and misdemeanors. It might be better to sue them first. Plus, they might have homeowners or other insurance that will pay the claim. I've seen at least two of USLA's contracts, and my guess is that many of you would have much better luck getting anything out of each independent agent individually for misrepresentation or fraud than battling with USLA themselves. And if just a few of you succeed against their independent contractor and there will likely be a mass exodus within their ranks, or a demand to be placed on the payroll and indemnified.

Last edited by AyatollahGondola : 07-14-2010 at 12:56 AM.
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 07-14-2010, 01:16 AM
AyatollahGondola's Avatar
AyatollahGondola AyatollahGondola is offline
Soldier
 
Join Date: May 2007
Location: Sacramento
Posts: 1,316
Default

Here are two excerpts from the contract between agent and USLA


Quote:
15. Relationship of Parties, Contractor, in furnishing services to Company hcrcunder, is acting only
as an independent contractor, and not as an agent of Company
. Nothing in this Agreement shall be
construed to create the relationship of employer and employee, master and servant, or principal and
agent, between Company and Contractor. This Agreement shall not be construed to be a partnership
or joint venture. No employees or agents of either party shall be deemed to be employees or agents
of the other party for aay reason whatsoever.

Quote:
12. Indemnity. Contractor unconditionally agrees (o indemnify the Company and the Company's
officers, directors, shareholders, agents, employees, parent companies, subsidiaries, affiliates,
attorneys and representatives (collectively, the "Indemnified Parties") and hold the Indemnified
Parties harmless from and against any and all Liabilities, expenses, fees, claims, losses or damages
of any character whatsoever (whether actual, incidental, consequential, or otherwise), including,
without limitation, attorneys' fees and costs incurred, whether in connection with Contractor's rights
or the rights of third parties, arising, directly or indirectly, from (i) Contractor's performance or
failure to perform hereuncier. and (ii) from any breach of the representations, warranties (expressed
or- implied) by, or obligations of, Contractoi under this Agreement.
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 07-14-2010, 08:04 AM
wantmy$back wantmy$back is offline
New Registrant
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Posts: 12
Default Name dropping USLA

My "Fraud Investigator" was Ty Williams
I have also spoken with "fraud Investigator" Eric Caldwell
Also dealt with Laura Soutar she claims she runs both companies she is only out ranked by the owners.
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 07-14-2010, 08:11 AM
wantmy$back wantmy$back is offline
New Registrant
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Posts: 12
Default

AyatollahGondola Thank you for helping in this fight against this company.


Do you think this is one of those companies that can just pack up and leave once their feet are held to the fire?
Can they file bankruptcy and we will all be out?
Do you know of a class action attorney?
I know everyone keeps mentioning it by nobody's taken action so why not me, I have called around a little and they are not that easy to find, any advise would be great.
Thanks

Another Question as far as suing the independent contractor,
I have in the past hired a flooring company and they sent out a different company that installed the flooring a sub contractor, I had an issue with the job and had to start a complaint with the company I signed the contract with and they refunded my money and charged back the sub-contractor. So how would USLA be any different? The contract was with USLA not the fraud investigator

Last edited by wantmy$back : 07-14-2010 at 08:32 AM.
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 07-14-2010, 08:31 AM
AyatollahGondola's Avatar
AyatollahGondola AyatollahGondola is offline
Soldier
 
Join Date: May 2007
Location: Sacramento
Posts: 1,316
Default

Well, to answer your questions,

Yes they can just shut down and try to disappear.
And yes, they can generally file BK, as well as can the principles of the company.
But, there are some debts that are usually not dischargeable in a bankruptcy. Fraud is one of those. If you can get a judgement for fraud against one or more of the individuals, it will pretty much stick with them until they settle the debt.

All law firms are "class action" law firms
Law firms are profit based service type companies, and if they believe there is just cause and reasonable fees that can be earned and collected, they will try and have a case certified as class action.
An attorney, like any other service based company, needs to be sure they can collect their fees for their services. Taking on the alleged bad guys is all noble and good, but it all takes time and filing fees and related. Primarily, they want to see that the person hiring them can pay the fees. Secondarily, they may look at collecting from your named defendant. That's where insurance companies, investors, and other associates come into lawsuits.

The reason I'm suggesting going after the independent agents is that you don't have to collect everything you lost from one entity or person. Hold the independents liable for thier part of the scheme. Hell, they got half your up front money.
You can still hold USLA or other independents responsible for their part of it by suing them too
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 07-14-2010, 08:39 AM
AyatollahGondola's Avatar
AyatollahGondola AyatollahGondola is offline
Soldier
 
Join Date: May 2007
Location: Sacramento
Posts: 1,316
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by wantmy View Post
My "Fraud Investigator" was Ty Williams
I have also spoken with "fraud Investigator" Eric Caldwell
Also dealt with Laura Soutar she claims she runs both companies she is only out ranked by the owners.
Check and see how much contact info you have for any of them. A business card, phone number, address, etc.
These independent contractors are working from their own offices purportedly. I can provide some help to teach you all how to track down the ones who aren't easily found
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 07-14-2010, 08:54 AM
wantmy$back wantmy$back is offline
New Registrant
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Posts: 12
Default

His Business Card
Have you read any of the contracts?
Attached Files
File Type: pdf scan0001.pdf (228.6 KB, 409 views)
Reply With Quote
Reply


Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump


All times are GMT -7. The time now is 05:21 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.6.8
Copyright ©2000 - 2020, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.