Liberals Get Disrespect From Day Labor Pests

[AyatollahGondola]

Article from the Sonoma County Gazette I picked up when I was in the area last week. This DL site was one we protested when SOS was actually an activist group instead of its' current shill as Nightingale's misbegotten acomplishments page. Anyway, the liberals in the pelosi area helped build them a free pest hangout in exchange for them not using the streets. Guess what? Big surprise that they told the libs to eat dirt too.
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Defending
Home

By HolLynn D’Lil
Under cover of darkness Grateronians
reinstalled posts that had been removed in
the broad light of day.
Last month, with the cooperation of
the merchants, the Graton Community
Club and other stakeholders, the
Graton Labor Center, Centro Laboral,
installed posts for mounting “NO
HIRING” signs on Graton and Ross
Roads. They installed the posts about
10:00 in the morning, but within a few
hours the posts had disappeared.
Friday evening, Centro Laboral
members and supporters reinstalled
the posts while community members
Toni Winter and Barbra Friedman,
post watchers at the corner of Graton
and Ross Roads, lingered to make sure
that they would not be removed again.
Cricket Seagull, David Upchurch
and Terry Winter (member of Centro
Laboral), said they installed the posts
at night in order to be more sensitive
to the day laborers who still wait on
Graton Road to be hired, rather than go
to the Centro Laboral’s location on Bower
Street. In all they installed five posts
that will make it clear to employers
that no hiring is to be done on Graton
Road. There are already many signs
that direct potential employers to the
location of the Graton Labor Center on
Bowen Street, a block from downtown.
The Friday night adventure was
another interesting chapter in the
story of a little town trying to solve the
problems of two cultures and disparate
needs. Graton has been the site of
congregating day laborers from south
of the border for over 80 years. Centro
Laboral is a community-supported
organization to help the day laborers
and to integrate them in a way that
works for the community. Two years
ago, after years of collaboration among
the laborers and the town folks, a site
for Centro Laboral with a meeting building, restrooms and showers was
built on Bowen Street. Today it is a
showcase for the community, with
lovely gardens and picnic facilities.
However, many day laborers
continue to hang out on Graton Road,
rather than go to the Bower Street
facility. The reasons are many, but in
an effort to address the root cause -
that local employers themselves don’t
go to Centro Laboral to hire the day
laborers - the community with Centro
Laboral is planning on erecting large,
impossible to ignore signs that say,
“NO HIRING"

Now look at their pathetic plea to scamming employers and their tools, the Day laborers

EMPLOYERS of DAY LABORERS - when you read this article
and the front page article from Graton, about how these communities are
suffering because employers continue to hire laborers off the streets instead of
at the Labor Centers - PLEASE BE CONSIDERATE of the towns that have put
so much effort into creating fair labor practices for both YOU and the laborers

[AyatollahGondola]

Same paper, same week, different article:

Support the Guerneville
Labor Center at Park’n’Ride

by Robbi Ernst III
In January 2009, because some
merchants were complaining about
the large group of workers in the MD
Liquor Store parking lot, a temporary
day labor center was created at the
Park’n’ride west of town. The workers,
along with director Suzanna May and
board members Dulce Chavez and
Margarita Rosas, adopted rules for
self-governing. First and foremost of
the rules is to respect “the list” which
determines how the workers will
be hired. When they arrive Monday
morning, each person signs a list
which will determine the order in
which each is to be hired during the
week. As a potential client arrives, he
meets with the first person on the list.
They discuss the job that needs to be
done; if the worker can do the work,
then the wage per hour is agreed upon.
After he is hired, his name is moved to
the bottom of the list.
“We want to be respectful to each
other, to ourselves and to the worker,”
says Ismael. “We all agree to wait and
let the hirer say what kind of worker
he needs and how much he is paying.”
Ismael works to support his wife, three
daughters and two sons who live in
Guanajuato, Mexico. He says that he
comes to the States to work because
there are so few jobs in Mexico, and
the jobs that do exist, don’t pay much.
The group has become officially
named the Guerneville Labor Center.
There are forms at the Center that the
worker can give the person who is
hiring. It includes information about
the process of hiring and also lets the
client know that he has a choice to
hire from the list or he may choose a
worker on his own. One the back of the
form is an “accountability” page which
gives the client space to write feedback
about the workers job performance.
The entire hourly wage that the
workers negotiate goes to them; there
is no fee or any type of dues paid to the
Labor Center. The workers are asked
to contribute a very small amount of
their choosing that goes toward the
upkeep of the PortaPotties. They are
also exp3ected to keep the Center clean. The workers know one another
and attest to the integrity of each other.
This is mandatory to be considered
as a member of the Labor Center
community. Additionally, all of the
workers at the Center are known to the
director, so there is definite screening
with the idea that reliable and honest
people are being hired.
The contrary is also true. Choosing
to hire from the pool of people that
hang out at the MD Liquor Store
parking lot or across the street, means
the Center is not being supported.
Those workers are not members of the
Center. While workers can no doubt be
hired for a dollar or two less per hour,
one is taking a chance, because not all
of the workers in that group are honest
or respected, respectful or reliable.
Workers at the Center hope to get
$ 12 an hour. If the work requires
more expertise or skills (e.g. electrical,
plumbing or carpentry) and the worker
has that training, then he will probably
negotiate for $ 18 per hour. The client
can trust as reliable if a Center worker
tells you he has the skills or expertise
to do a job.
Many area citizens ask why there
are still so many workers hanging
around at MD Liquor Store parking
lot and across the street. The answer
is three-fold: first, workers have been
hanging out in those areas for more
than twenty years; thus, it has become
a habit. Secondly, many workers don’t
want to follow any kind of rules or
structure; and, because many of these
do not have the reputation required to
be a member of the Center, they are
not allowed to be part of the Center’s
group of workers. Third, clients are
still hiring from the MD Liquor Store
parking lot instead of hiring from the
Center. Those that are hiring from
elsewhere are not being supportive of
the Center.
Business hours for the Labor Center
are from 7 am until 11 am, Monday
through Saturday. Mayo is usually
present and can be phoned during
normal business hours at 707.591.5518.
To arrange for a specific worker, or
type of worker, or if desiring to arrange
a worker in advance, should be done
with an advance phone call.

[AyatollahGondola]

I wrote the editor:

Good day to you,

I am Davi Rodrigues, former Save Our State administrator and owner of FightBackinSac.com. In regards to your recent articles on Day Labor problems in your area, I would like to say I told you so, but I doubt that would be recieved well. Instead, I'll try to more tactfully remind you that Save Our State tried to educate the people in your area during a few protests we held a few years back. We have found that Day laborers do not generally respect any laws, and that carries over to any aspect of asking them to respect the communities wishes. The attempts you are making to appease them and channel them will succeed in bringing some into the fold of what is still an illegal enterprise, but the voids will be filled by new illegal workers who get word from those that are in the area that the citizens there are chumps, and will take whatever the the illegals and their employers market will bear. I know the lot of liberal mindset in the area would like to believe that under the table hiring is not hurting anyone, however this is really, really false and wishful thinking. Regardless of your intentions to give foreign workers a welcome, the employers are being facilitated to use and abuse disposable employees. The workers lose any real protections that California law dictates for employers to provide, and the business owners that work above board lose business to unfair competition by under the table operators. The tax base also loses, but it's getting to be hard for me to root for them anymore, so we'll put that down on the list. There's one other problem that should be brought up, and that is when you try to paint a legitimate face on an unlawful practice, some poor unsuspecting citizen may drop their apprehensions about picking up strangers that have no history or trail, and end up victimized to death like many people have across the country after being led to slaughter by careless propaganda. All day laborers may be willing workers, but many are also doing this because they cannot get hired by above board employers due to warrants or other fugitive status. A few are just plain looking for prey. I don't think it's fair for writers and local newspapers to wax eloquent about the virtues of day workers without some slight educational info about the possible threats to peoples safety. I'd like to point out the numerous examples, but people who defend this enterprise seldom recieve facts from someone in opposition without hurling accusations about my "true motives", so I'll let you just do a search on your own.

[joazinha]

ILLEGAL alien day laborers have ALREADY broken the law by being here WITHOUT authorization!

[ilbegone]

Ayatollah,

I know the answer, but I have to ask.

Did you get any kind of response from the Gazette?

[AyatollahGondola]

Yes, I did get a response. It was a little surprising.

[ilbegone]

Yes, I did get a response. It was a little surprising.

Can you elaborate?

[AyatollahGondola]

Here it is

Yeah well - feedback is always appreciated anyway - so thank you and you are JUST in time to get into this next print edition. The joy of our world is that we can agree to disagree and that makes us all right all the time!

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[ilbegone]

Cool. And just in time.

[ilbegone]

Did they print it as it was, or did they hack it down?

[AyatollahGondola]

I don't know. I may be too far away to get a copy. I'll check with someone in the area. they have an online, but I don't know if letters are in there

[Captain Sacto]

I found it from your link.! I dont think they get what you said

http://sonomacountygazette.com/editions/wcg200909_004.pdf

and

http://sonomacountygazette.com/editions/wcg200909_005.pdf

Dear Davi,
I appreciate your comments on our
day labor situation and how several
communities are trying to solve some of
the issues you mention by establishing
Day Labor Centers. We’ve been running
articles on this subject for years.
I’ll take the last issue first since one
of the solutions Day Labor Centers offer
is that they screen workers who come to
the Center, keep records on who they are,
contact information, their track record
with employers, etc. It’s one of the many
benefits for people who hire from the Center
instead of the street. If the worker is not
willing to abide by the system of credibility
established at the Center, they cannot be
hired through the Center.
Another is Fair Labor practices. Labor
centers were established for numerous
reasons but one of those has been because
employers have not always been fair
or even humane to laborers. Just as the
laborers have track-records documented at
the Labor Centers, so do employers. The
Center will not send a laborer to work
for someone who has cheated or harmed a
worker in the past. It’s a form of protection
for the workers.
Our Labor Centers are safe places for
both workers and employers who seek
employment on a day-to-day basis. Fulltime
and part-time jobs are not always an option for either an employer or a worker.
Many jobs just take a few days and the
work is done. Being able to hire someone
for one day and know that the person has a
reputation for good conduct as well as skill
is a real asset to anyone.
Additional benefits of Labor Centers
are educational opportunities and health
services. You may want to visit one of
Sonoma County’s Labor Centers and see
for yourself how they were established to
be an asset to the communities that are
traditional hiring locations, to the workers,
AND employers looking to hire someone
for short periods of time with specific skills.
Day laborers are a long-established
“system” here in Sonoma County that
started decades ago in our agricultural
fields. Neither the need nor the practice has
diminished over time. Finding a workable
solution for everyone is what Day Labor
Centers are trying to do.
When employers understand the many
benefits for everyone of this system, there
will be no reason for laborers to stand on
street corners because no one will hire them.
This practice all rests on the shoulders of
employers who need to understand the
negative impacts on our communities and
our labor force by their insistence on hiring
from the street.
Vesta

[ilbegone]

There is no "getting it" as evidenced in this dialog.

Reminds me of a politician's form letter.

[Rim05]

There is no "getting it" as evidenced in this dialog.

Reminds me of a politician's form letter.

It is even worse than a politician. They are what I call Do Gooders. They do not think about the results of their actions. Why are they forgetting about our legal citizens who need training and temporary work also?

[ilbegone]

It is even worse than a politician. They are what I call Do Gooders. They do not think about the results of their actions. Why are they forgetting about our legal citizens who need training and temporary work also?

Political correctness, "I'm not a racist", "They do jobs Americans won't do", "Can't deport 12 to 20 million people", "Illegals are people too!"